liars? no, probably not. you know, he's got some -- you know, i understand it's hard. i lied for a long, long time. and you start believing some of your lies. he's got himself backed into a corner. you know, i feel -- i feel for the guy. i know speaking from what i went through, coming out and telling the truth, it feels great. you know, people will eventually forgive lance armstrong. and he's a hero to many. sure, he's disappointed some people, but again, people will forgive. >> i'm curious to know when you look at him -- honestly, after reading this report and the details of it, the evidence is just -- it is overwhelming. you know, suddenly i would see a picture and was looking at him in a different way. i'm wondering when you see him, what do you see? do you see a hero?